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Great spec on this manta,and the engine conversion looks like its been done to a good standard.

But given the concept of the car its crying out for a 400 kit.....that would be the next stage for me.

This has been offered for sale recently for a lot more that the current starting bid,depending on the amount of interest this attracts you could potentially have a well spec'd/tricked up manta for not a huge amount of money.

I like it:thumbup

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It's an interesting one! As you say it looks like it's all be done well and it's crying out for a 400 kit, but it doesn't float my boat, however, each to their own.

I suspect it will struggle to get more than the £5K starting price.

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Just bought this as my next project  still doing a manta 400 r at present but I will put a kit on this one aswell so will be parked up next to my other manta can’t wait 😊 

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You got that for a good price, are you going to use it for motorsport or as a fast road/track day car?

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I’m going to do a couple of hill climbs first the might do a couple night events when car is set up as I want it. So on the look out for a good 400 kit

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You won't be able to do night events with a turbo or body kit on the Manta

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I got a red top with 45 s im putting that in this car and the sabb set up will go in me 400r which will be a show weekend dry weather car  so I’ll have to skip the kit if not allowed thanks for the info 😃

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I’ve now decided not to purchase it   As it’s got a sun roof and plated  can’t be bothered to find a skin to replace it so I’m sure it will be back on the market soon 😂

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I’ve bit the bullet had a rethink about the car and I am having it so now on the lookout for a non sunroof skin  so anyone know of any please let me know

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On ‎2‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 22:28, Ems said:

You won't be able to do night events with a turbo or body kit on the Manta

Why can't you do the aforementioned:wacko::blink::wacko::blink:

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MSA rules - you can't even use twin 40's etc.

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Is this something along the lines of it must follow manufactures spec, If there was a manta turbo, then it would be fine!

Manta a broadspeed?

Did any version of the manta have twincarbs? I300? Not sure, maybe 3.0 i

Why can redtop'd mantas on 45's rally? And are msa logged And both, (carb or turbo) hillclimb?

Redtape......eh

Em night time blasts, would know nothing about that! :ph34r:

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I got another manta 400r on the go here this has a red top with twin 45s Weber’s on it but can’t do night events because it’s got a body kit fitted       Like to chat with this plonka that makes up these rules a body kit just looks the part it don’t make it any faster lol

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Posted (edited)
Regulations from the MSA Blue Book for Road Rallying. 
 
In addition to complying with Section J all cars competing in Road Rallies must comply with the appropriate part of the following:
Body
18.1.  Bodywork must represent the manufacturer’s original profile and may include any optional extras available directly from the manufacturer.
18.1.1.  Bumpers must be fitted.
18.1.2.  Paintwork must be one colour or manufacturer’s original colour scheme. No primer is to be visible.
18.1.3.  Vehicles must not have wheel arch extensions, unless fitted by the manufacturer as a standard item to the body shape.
18.1.4.  All major internal trim as fitted to the body type by its original manufacturer when offering it for sale must be retained. This trim will include headlinings, inside door panels, carpets and rear seats.
18.1.5.  Front seats may be improved or replaced.
18.1.6  The trim, including the rear seat may be cut to allow the fitting of a safety cage.
18.1.7.  If equipped with a non standard fuel tank it must be separated from the driver/passenger compartment by a protective bulkhead of non-flammable material preventing the passage of fluid or flame.
18.1.8.  Full harness seat belts may be fitted.
18.1.9.  Guards may be fitted beneath the vehicle to provide protection from damage.
 
Engines and Transmissions
18.2.  Vehicle engines must have:
18.2.1.  A maximum of four cylinders.
18.2.2.  A maximum of two carburettor chokes (two single or one double).
18.2.3.  A maximum of one camshaft per bank of cylinders.
18.2.4.  Engines with more than one camshaft per bank of cylinders may be used providing that they were originally fitted with fuel injection and that the fuel injection system complete with plenum chamber and
throttle body is retained unmodified.
18.2.5. For diesel and petrol engines under 1500cc actual capacity, forced induction is permitted providing that the complete original induction system is retained unmodified, other than the replacement of the air filter element
18.3.1.  Fuel injection may be fitted where it was standard equipment by the manufacturer for that engine type and where the original plenum chamber and throttle body is retained for that engine type.
18.3.2.  A standard Wankel unit will be considered as three cylinders – twin Wankel units are prohibited.
18.3.3.  Engines must comply with the silencing levels G.11.1, J.5.17 and 4.1 and have induction air filter elements fitted that ensure the vehicle complies with noise regulations J.5.17.
18.3.4.  Only H shift pattern manual transmissions are permitted. The gear lever must remain the only means of changing gear unless an alternative method was originally fitted by the vehicle manufacturer as standard. Automatic transmissions are permitted provided that they are in their original configuration as fitted by the manufacturer to that specific vehicle model.
18.3.5.  The number and location of the driven wheels must remain as original to the model of car.
 
Wheels and Tyres
18.4.  Wheels and tyres are free but must fit within the standard unmodified wheel arch.
18.4.1.  Vehicles must be fitted with tyres that are always legal for use on the public highway.
18.4.2.  All moulded slick tyres are prohibited including those listed as FIA Approved Moulded Slick Tyres.
18.4.3.  Vehicles must have all spare wheels securely fastened in position and must not be fitted with spiked or studded tyres or any non-skid attachments, other than chains if permitted by SR
 
Electrical Systems
18.5.  Vehicles must have a maximum of four forward facing beams, as well as side and indicator lights, unless further restrictions are specified in SRs.
18.5.1.  Light pods are not permitted.
18.5.2.  A headlamp must provide the main beam and dipped beam functions.
18.5.3.  An auxiliary lamp provides a beam other than that provided by the headlamp. With the exception of cars built before 1st January 1947 the maximum width of the lamp body of any auxiliary lamp must not exceed 222mm.
 
8.5.4.  A headlamp may consist of a single reflector with a dual filament bulb, or separate reflectors each with single filament bulbs providing the functions of main beam and dipped beam separately. This will be considered as equivalent to a single dual filament headlamp unit. Lamp units comprising two reflectors where one is fitted with a dual filament bulb will be considered as a combined headlamp and auxiliary lamp. In this instance therefore no additional auxiliary lamps may be fitted.
18.5.5.  Auxiliary lamps unless fitted as standard equipment using gas discharge or LED technology are not permitted and gas discharge or LED headlamp units may not be retro fitted.
18.5.6.  Auxiliary lights must not be used in neutral sections except in poor visibility as permitted by law.
18.5.7.  Where more than four beams are fitted as standard, only four may be used and the remainder must be rendered unusable for the duration of the event.
18.5.8.  Vehicles must have all lights fitted and used according to motor vehicle lighting regulations.
18.5.9.  External navigational or Marshal lights are not permitted.
 
Miscellaneous
18.6. The vehicle must be currently registered and taxed as a Private Car and comply with all statutory regulations as to the Construction and Use regulations (especially regarding brakes, lighting, tyres, warning
devices, rear view mirrors, silencers, speedometers, wings and windscreens).
18.6.1.  Vehicles may not use racing style numbers, nor have any advertising except for event sponsor decals which must be incorporated within the rally plate.
18.6.2.  They should be equipped with an effective method of stopping fuel supply, operable by the Driver when normally seated (the ignition switch would normally cover this requirement) and must use pump
fuel as defined in Nomendature and Definitions.
18.6.3.  Brakes are free but must comply with Construction and Use Regulations. A hydraulic handbrake is permitted. This must incorporate the existing manufacturers handbrake lever, mounting position and pivot point.
18.6.4.  For all road events, the use of global positioning systems or any other type of position determining device is prohibited and will be penalised in accordance with 13(p).
Exceptionally, the SRs for Navigation Rallies and Navigational Scatters may Permit their use.
Edited by Ems

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Had it today now locked away in my lock uphope to fit the bigger injectors the weekend then get it mapped it’ll push out350bhp plus when tuned also need to fit the cable handbrake back in as at the mo only hydraulic strange  that it’s got 6 months mot may be I’ll go back to same testing station for a mot lol.                         Anyway when it’s mapped I’ll drive it about a bit to get the feel of it then will have a go at a hill climb see how it goes , I’ll probably throw some money at it, but just needs a good tidy up and two pieces of roll cage to do I’ll post next in the project section and include loads of pics 😃

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Whats the current spec, including gearbox and axle?

Loads of pics needed, looks a decent spec car, plenty of bang for bucks, perfect spec and stance, is weirdly highish on the back axle for a drifty!

Good luck with future developments

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buying a aftermarket ecu with anti lag and launch control as the current ecu and loom has no obd2 plug to remap it  ecu and loom all for £750 inc vat comes with a base map then a trip to bristol to the ecu supplier for a re map with 400cc injectors then it will be a very interesting fun car 

im also refitting the mechcanical handbrake for road use and mot  

i will start a post in project section with lots of pics of mods thats been done

 

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 the chap who made this car...  is from Walsall and he did a great job! by the time u finish with it the beast mode will be activated!!!

 

Love this thread Keep us posted!

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Do you know the fella who built it if you do can you get me his number or giv mine to him thanks peter

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