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John,

Is this a repeat thread or are you still looking?

I would have thought that the volvo route would be the simplest way as they fit straight on. You need calipers from a 240 model, GT if poss, and discs from a 2.2 Carlton. The calipers are 4 pot and the discs are 22mm thick ventilated. EBC and Mintex pads are available.

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Hello

For the ultimate brake kit I have developed an AP Racing kit with:

304x28mm front discs

Pro5000+ Calipers

Alloy Bells

Alloy mounting brackets

DS3000 Brake PAds

Mounting hardware

£1415 plus £22.50 P&P to UK Mainland.

Designed to fit inside a Compomotive (or similar) 7x15 ET24 motorsport wheel.

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Regards

Tim

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Searching under the car's reg number brings up the following options from EBC:

http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/search/byregistration.asp?regno=E718+WMR&x=25&y=9#

The 'Turbo Grooved' brake discs GD005 (£115/pair) are solid but appear to be better than standard:

http://www.venommotorsport.com/ebc-grooved-brake-discs-rear.html

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m31b0s3135p53067/EBC_BRAKE_DISCS_EBC_TURBO_GROOVE_BRAKE_DISCS_-_GD005_-_EBC_Turbo_Groove_Brake_Discs_

For the standard Manta discs, EBC do the:

Green Stuff pads DP2325 £44

Red Stuff Ceramic DP3325C £50.72

Yellow Stuff DP4325R £52.65

Pad size is 100x59x15mm

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These look good (£180 from Mantasport) but won't fit under my wheels:

Opel manta big brake kit 283mm discs and calipers also Chevette Kadett etc

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Opel-manta-big-brake-kit-283mm-discs-and-calipers-also-Chevette-Kadett-etc-/370811571675?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5656178ddb

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Searching under the car's reg number brings up the following options from EBC:

http://www.ebcbrakesdirect.com/search/byregistration.asp?regno=E718+WMR&x=25&y=9#

The 'Turbo Grooved' brake discs GD005 (£115/pair) are solid but appear to be better than standard:

http://www.venommotorsport.com/ebc-grooved-brake-discs-rear.html

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m31b0s3135p53067/EBC_BRAKE_DISCS_EBC_TURBO_GROOVE_BRAKE_DISCS_-_GD005_-_EBC_Turbo_Groove_Brake_Discs_

For the standard Manta discs, EBC do the:

Green Stuff pads DP2325 £44

Red Stuff Ceramic DP3325C £50.72

Yellow Stuff DP4325R £52.65

Pad size is 100x59x15mm

I've just spoken to EBC and they CAN do the above pad in BLUE STUFF (which will last a lot longer than YELLOW STUFF) for about 10% more than the cost of the YS equivalent, but it has to be a 'special order' made in their lab (so will take longer to supply).

On the subject of the Discs, the GD005 rotor (246mm) IS the best disc they do for the standard Manta:

http://ebcbrakes.com/product/3gd-sport-rotors/

"For this reason EBC produce two ranges of sport rotors, the GD series (or 3GD series as we call them -they are both exactly the same item)" being discussed here are the noisier of the two designs, our sister range the USR sport rotor range is MUCH quieter yet offers similar performance values."

Thanks for the suggestion of Rally Design. I've just phoned them and they buy Wilwood calipers from the US and then make up a kit themselves with all the other components needed e.g.:

Chevette - Manta - Midilite - 246mm Vented Kit

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=10510

BK19D

£438.90

They are also working on a new kit for the Manta which gives 280mm Discs (available in Jul/Aug 13 hopefully):

Cost approx £470-500 approx +VAT

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I forgot to mention that Bob S of EBC reported that he had 3GD discs on his BMW rally car with no problems.

The EBC brake shoes for Manta's standard back brakes are only available in standard compound, but they have sold lots of pairs for Club racers with the following cars: Porsche 924, MGB, MG Montego & Maestro etc.:

"We only have one material as they are not made in the same way as pads. The material is better than OE but is not a dedicated competition shoe, although we do sell several sets for race cars with rear drums.”

He reckons that they won't last that great for motorsport usage, however (probably only 2 club race events per pair!)

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John,

Is this a repeat thread or are you still looking?

I would have thought that the volvo route would be the simplest way as they fit straight on. You need calipers from a 240 model, GT if poss, and discs from a 2.2 Carlton. The calipers are 4 pot and the discs are 22mm thick ventilated. EBC and Mintex pads are available.

Regards

John

Thanks John. The 4-pot calipers look good, but I've found several different types of 2.2. Carlton ventilated discs:

+++++++++++++++++++Vauxhall Carlton MK3 2.2 Vented 280mm Diam Mintex

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Carlton-MK3-2-2-Vented-280mm-Diam-Mintex-Front-Brake-Discs-Genuine-/350770802506?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ACarlton&hash=item51ab91af4a

Disc Type: Vented Diameter (mm): 280 Thickness (mm): 24 Number of Wheel Bolt/Stud Holes: 5

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Vauxhall Carlton MK3 2.2 ('86-'88)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Carlton-MK3-2-2-Vented-Mintex-Front-Brake-Discs-Genuine-OE-Spec-/350770781617?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ACarlton&hash=item51ab915db1

Disc Type: Vented Diameter (mm): 258 Thickness (mm): 24 Number of Wheel Bolt/Stud Holes: 5
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I've just seen a post by Wayne Thomas on this thread:

Board index » Misc » Technical Forum

Discs: Vented, Grooved, Drilled & Solid

http://www.britishrally.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=51232&sid=19aa3e00fbfff962e09f047df7105cbb

which says:

For the Manta get some early carlton 2.2 disks (4 stud) and some later (for vented disks) volvo 240, 4 pots. They'll all bolt straight on, you'll just need a couple of washers to centralise the caliper.

drew19 added the following:

Capri 2.8i discs bolt to the manta hub but are prone to distortion due to the way the disc is made.

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I couldn't find any of the relevant calipers (which sound good as they are '4 pot' on eBay), just these single pot ones:

Volvo 240 Variant1 Brake Engineering Front Right Brake Caliper OE Spec

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-240-Variant1-Brake-Engineering-Front-Right-Brake-Caliper-OE-Spec-/350756328610?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item51aab4d4a2

for £112/pair

but this would appear to be the right Carlton disc:

FRONT BRAKE DISC VAUXHALL CARLTON (78-86) 2.2 84-86

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRONT-BRAKE-DISC-VAUXHALL-CARLTON-78-86-2-2-84-86-/310532922575?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3ACarlton&hash=item484d345ccf

£66 for a pair

Part Number : NBD055 Make : VAUXHALL Model : Carlton (78-86) Varient : 2.2 Date Range : 84-86 Type : Vented Disc Diameter : 246 Disc Thickness : 23 Disc Overall Height : 55.5 Centering Diameter : 73 Disc Mounting : 4 Disc Quantity : 1
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John,

The Carlton disc is the right one, 246 dia.

If you go on brakeparts.co.uk, go to calipers and click onto volvo you will find 240 model listed, again open up the pictures and you will find the 4 pot caliper for this thickness disc. They list them as in stock ?

Hope this helps

John

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thanks guys -v helpful.

On this page:

http://brakeparts.co.uk/#page=parts&pageSection=BDF&mancode=GM&brand=VAUXHALL&model=CARLTON&modelversion=CARL*(82-86)+MK2+2.0+%26+2.2+PETROL

there appear to be several types of Vented disc listed for the CARLTON (1982-86) MK2 2.0 & 2.2 PETROL

(either 20mm or 23mm in thickness) ranging from £18-£31 each including VAT.

Here's the info on the Volvo brake calipers:

http://brakeparts.co.uk/#page=parts&pageSection=BHF&mancode=VOLV&brand=VOLVO&model=240+SERIES&modelversion=240*240,+244+%26+245+models

[it says that they are part no. BCA0818 and BCA0819, take a 22mm disc and use the BPS1576 pad]

and more detailed info here on the calipers:

http://www.brakepartssuperstore.org.uk/contents/en-uk/d12969.html

Alternatively, the above webpages also quote another 4 pot caliper that would work (part number BCA0638 BCA0639)

Disc thickness: 24mm

Brake Pad part number: BPS1131

on this page there is more info on the pads for the Volvo calipers:

Part number: BPS1576

http://www.brakepartssuperstore.org.uk/contents/en-uk/d14784.html

Pad Length 98.3 Pad Height 60.3 Pad Depth 16.0

and also on here:

http://brakeparts.co.uk/#page=parts&pageSection=BFF&mancode=VOLV&brand=VOLVO&model=240+SERIES&modelversion=240*240,+244+%26+245+models

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The EBC DP?143 series pads (e.g. DP2143) are a direct match in their dimensions and shape to the BPS1576 pads.

The DP2143 pads are specified on this site:

for every single variant of Volvo 240/260 other than:

VOLVO/240, 260/2.7/74-75

VOLVO/240, 260/2.8/74-75

for which these pads are specified:

Pads: DP135

80mm x 65mm x 15mm

-and these pads are are a direct match in their dimensions and shape to the BPS1131

N.B. there don't appear to be any performance pads listed by EBC for the DP135 pattern (but I reckon they could probably do it as a special order).

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Here's the right caliper (despite the misleading 'generic photo' on most of the ebay listings):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-240-P245-Estate-Brake-Engineering-Front-Right-Brake-Caliper-OE-Spec-/330900321283?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AVolvo%7CModel%3A240&hash=item4d0b323403

There are lots of 4 pot calipers listed for £60ish inc VAT/delivery (remanufactured)

Front Brake Discs VAUXHALL Carlton 2.2 NBD055 84-86

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Front-Brake-Discs-VAUXHALL-Carlton-2-2-NBD055-84-86-/390473818495?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5aea0da17f

cheap at £57/pair inc delivery but no guarantee mentioned (unless its in the T&Cs?) and the make isn't specified

VAUXHALL Carlton 2.2 84-86 BLACK DIAMOND 6-Groove Front Brake Discs

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-Carlton-2-2-84-86-BLACK-DIAMOND-6-Groove-Front-Brake-Discs-/280956954464?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item416a56e760

Vented & grooved sports discs for £112/pair

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